Permanently Decertified PRP in USAF as enlisted, can I apply for Navy OCS?

I was permanently decertified PRP status upon enlistment in the USAF back in '00 because my recruiter told me to lie and I came clean before I flew out to boot camp. The USAF states that I am ineligible to become an officer. Does this same rule apply to Navy/Marine officer programs and if not, can I still be a pilot? It's always been my dream to be a pilot, but it seems like this is quickly becoming just that - fantasy. My DD214 member 4 copy shows a sep code of MBK and RE code of 1J which are both positive. Thanks for help.

Talk to a Navy Officer recruiter. Bring your DD214 and anything else pertinent to the issue. I can't say that it is impossible, but if one service says "not fit for duty as an officer" it seems unlikely another would. But, like every "special circumstance" you need to get info from the source.

What is it that you lied about? I'm also curious about the part where your Recruiter told you to lie.

you said the AF told you that you can not be an officer, who told you that you were unfit to be an officer? Was this on you EPR or did you apply for AFOTS and get denied because of this?

Isn't PRP Personal Reliability Program, to evaluate people to work around nuclear weapons? Sort of like a security clearance, but also different?
Let me know if I am off base here, but I see this acronym a lot in security paperwork. It seems to be a smaller program.
Is it written anywhere that you can't be an officer? Or is that just what they told you?

TrunkMonkey said:

Isn't PRP Personal Reliability Program, to evaluate people to work around nuclear weapons? Sort of like a security clearance, but also different?
Let me know if I am off base here, but I see this acronym a lot in security paperwork. It seems to be a smaller program.
Is it written anywhere that you can't be an officer? Or is that just what they told you?

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Your right about PRP, I was PRP qualified whole time I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. Its alot of paperwork but I knew alot of guys who were decertified from PRP and nothing happened to them. They had the same career and progression in rank as I did. Another thing I have my security paperwork and my PRP docs from when I got out of the AF and no where is there a block that says "cant be an officer". But maybe someone told him this. One more thing, if you were on antibiotics or any kind of medication and you were PRP you'd either be temp. decert. or depending on the case permanently decert. Its a very sensative program.

Former PRP Certifying Officer here.....I don't know how a permanent decert would make it to a DD-214 or make one ineligible unless it was a decert due to a legal issue that is documented elsewhere. Than it would be the legal issue and not the PRP decert that would effect reenlistment or officer programs.

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Former PRP Certifying Officer here.....I don't know how a permanent decert would make it to a DD-214 or make one ineligible unless it was a decert due to a legal issue that is documented elsewhere. Than it would be the legal issue and not the PRP decert that would effect reenlistment or officer programs.

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Hence my question above. I think we're talking about a lie or a behavior that was lied about, rather than anything to do with PRP.

I think the big takeaway here is PRP is a program that is tailor made for NUC weps. It has nothing to do with security clearance and you can be permanently decertified for a huge variety of reasons, some not altogether reasonable. If anyone were to ask you if you had ever had a security clearance revoked, you can, with a clean conscience say "no". You are obviously not too keen on sharing the reason for losing PRP, but if it is something that puts your character in question, you should fess up during any sort of interview about your past. If not, it will come out in the wash. Believe it. It is better to tell the truth now than to have an investigator uncover it by talking to one of your old supervisors on the phone.

10 years ago when I was a PRP certifying official...

Only "experimental" use of marijuana was allowed. Experimental was defined by a doctor.

Use of meth, cocaine, crack, LSD, etc., even just once, would keep you from screening. We sent many a fine prior enlisted officer and senior E to other communities for listing their drug use on their enlistement forms in the early 80's.

If you were in the program and "came clean" about a disqualifying factor, you would be read out of the program ASAP. PRP would not be a possibilty in the future due to whatever disqualified you.

Keeping your clearance would be dependent on how hard your command wanted to press the lying issue. I don't know of many officer billets that don't require some kind of clearance. If you can no longer hold a clearance then you may be out of luck.

With that being said....PRP is a very small part of Naval Aviation. If that is your only restriction, your chances might be better in the Navy vice USAF.

Let me clarify what happened when I enlisted in the USAF:

I had a drug paraphenalia charge when I was 17 or 18. (19 when I enlisted) I told my recruiter that I had smoked marijuana a few times. (I wasn't a pot head - alot of my friends were) The recruiter told me not to mention it; that it wasn't a big deal. I had a friend who was in USAF boot camp at the time. I was scheduled to ship out in January of 2000. I recieved news that my friend had lied about a DUI charge and he was kicked out of boot camp. I didn't want the same thing to happen to me so I came clean at MEPS. The commanding officer informed my recruiter that he didn't want me in the USAF. I started pursuing other avenues.
Two weeks later, my recruiter called and said that the commanding officer wanted to speak with me. I went in and explained what had happened while keeping the recruiter out of it. (I didn't want narc him out; besides, I should of done what is good for me in the first place..) He perm. decert'd me in PRP. I did six years honorably. Right before I seperated, I researched the USAF regulations (I don't remember the exact reg. #) and it said that I could not be commissioned in the USAF and it said, "see note 8", which read, "there are no waivers."

I hope that clarifies everything. Yes, I did lie about something that is probably pretty minor. Does this make me unfit to be an officer in any branch? I don't think it should, but I'm still working on my fitness, studying for the ASTB and hoping like hell that the door isn't completely shut. Thanks for everyone's input.

*I would also like to add that when I was 19 and the officer told me this, I had no idea what it meant. I asked him and he told me that I couldn't work around NUC's which was fine with me. They knew that I wanted to be a military pilot and they made no mention that I could never be an officer. My view point on this was that at least I came clean before I wasted my time and the governments time; but I guess this particular officer didn't see it that way.

I hope that clarifies everything. Yes, I did lie about something that is probably pretty minor. Does this make me unfit to be an officer in any branch? I don't think it should, but I'm still working on my fitness, studying for the ASTB and hoping like hell that the door isn't completely shut. Thanks for everyone's input.

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The Navy takes drug use/drug charges very seriously, so to them it's a big deal. Lying is also a big deal, although you did the right thing by fessing up. Your best bet is to discuss your options with a recruiter to see if you can get waivers for the drug charge. The clearance/application will ask if you've used drugs in the past 7 years (10 for TS), so you can say no in those areas. However, you will have to disclose your legal record. It's been a long time since then, so there's a good chance all hope is not lost.

Pilotwannab - you came clean at MEPS? Isn't that before you even enlisted? Or at least before you were active duty? I can't see how you could be permenantly decerted from PRP in this case.

Further, you don't get a PRP screening prior to enlisting or at MEPS. You get one when you go to a unit that has a nuke mission AND you are in a position with access to the nukes. This CO might have refused to enlist you into a nuke weps carrer field at that time, but I can not see how he could take any career or permanent action against you.

Have you actually seen anything in your recording saying you were decerted?

Check you record, if there is nothing there, it didn't happen and this CO was just "scaring you straight".