John Palmer - £35m TimeShare Compensation

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John Palmer - £35m TimeShare Compensation

So John Palmer has to fork out £35 million in compensation to people he swindled out of TimeShare cash. That's compensation, but what about punitive damages? The man's worth over £300m! Which, at a simple 5% interest rate, will be worth about £430m by the time he gets out of prison. That's if it's in cash, of course (and if the best interest rate he can find is only 5%). In reality, most of his assets are in property, which will no doubt increase in value by a lot more than 5% per year.

£35m is a drop in the ocean to a man like John Palmer.

I've never met him, but I knew his minder, Dennis. In fact, Sue used to do his wife's nails. While Dennis and I were never destined to be soul buddies - he's kind of hard to like - I used to drink with HIS minder. (Why does a minder need a minder?). Every Sunday we'd have a few beers in a bar run by a mate of mine in Portugal and he'd try to talk me into working for them. I'm mixed with the best I have, haven't I? (That last line was written in sarcasm, in case you can't see the rueful expression on my face).

The name Dennis is known in the TimeShare world, but for reasons that are only whispered.

It's a skanking, dangerous world. And this a shame because the product is supreme. How can you knock paying £7000 for holiday accommodation anywhere in the world for the rest of your life? Yes, you've got to pay flights on top of that, and about £100-£200 per family per year maintenance fee. But it's 4 and 5 star accommodation that will sleep 4-6 adults.

Ask anyone who owns TimeShare and they'll all tell you the same thing. They are delighted with it. The only people who criticise the TimeShare way of taking holidays are people who don't own and so know nothing about it. They've been to a presentation or two, and think they know it all.

Unfortunately, a very small section of the TimeShare world has been taken over by gangsters. And they have no long-term vision. They take the money and run. The legitimate TimeShare property owners can reap the rewards of their endeavours for the rest of their life.

Once they've sold a TimeShare apartment, they can collect £5200-£10,400 in maintenance a year, PER APARTMENT. Multiply that times 50-500 apartments and you've got a fair old wedge. They can then also make money in the bars and restaurants, and on trips etc. They can even sell the flights at a small mark-up and make a margin on car hire. They can resell apartments, taking a small profit for themselves, acting as estate agents if anyone wants to buy a resell. They can be set up for life.

And there's nothing wrong with this. It's a business. Hotels are doing the same all over the world. And, of course, like any business, it does have overheads. But there's still a nice profit. Fair play to them.

But the gangsters don't have this vision. They take over a resort, either through threats of violence or by purchasing it with money from jobs like the Brinx Mat robbery. They sell it for a year and then @!#$ off, taking everyone's money with them. They sell "floating time", claiming you can holiday any time of year, but in reality you then own nothing.

There's a TimeShare resort in Portugal called Vale Navio that this has happened to. It's practically a ghost town now. You could probably purchase the whole resort for about £2m, and it would cost another million to do up. But you'd then have an ongoing concern. This is not just a apartment block I'm talking about. This is a complete resort made up of several roads with restaurants, shops and bars, along with horse riding stables and swimming pools. But for the moment it remains desolate.

The gangsters moved in, took everyone's money and ruined it.

He's a scary man, John Palmer. A close friend of mine was working for him out in Tenerife. He told Palmer he was quitting. "No trouble, big man," said Palmer (my buddy's quite rotund), "You'll be off the island by Tuesday, won't you?" In other words, Palmer didn't want him working for any of his competition. My buddy was off the island by Tuesday.

In my opinion, John Palmer should be forced to pay a lot more than £35m compensation.

Karl Wiggins
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Sorry to hear about your parents, Liana. My parents also had a bad TimeShare experience at Vale Navio. The trick is to use the programme instead of letting the programme use you. When we were on the road in America, we stayed at TimeShare resorts for 15-20 weeks of the year. To rent an additional 6-sleeper apartment would cost us $99 per week then (it's now gone up to about $300 - which still isn't bad for 6 people). We could cram 8 of our kids in one of these. Otherwise we'd be forced to pay about $30/35 a night ($210/245 a week) for a hotel room that would only sleep 4 people. And in the TimeShare apartments, the kids had much more luxurious accommodation than they normally did in a Howard Johnsons or Quality Inn.
Liana
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good if you can use it that way karl, but for many people, the requirements arent like that. i stayed in one of the swaps that my parents made for their apartment, which is a gold one, in gran canaria.. we went to tenerife instead, with my youngest daughter, my parents and my sister. the apartment was huge, and we couldve had an extra week for about £10 as i recall - which is great, but most people dont live so that they can just take three weeks off instead of two at short notice... they do bank their time in it year on year, and now that the internet has enabled them to pick up cheaper flights, (and also as they near retirement age) i hope that this timeshare works out better than it has over the years for them. i wonder though, if its so great, why they cant sell it? and rci dont appear to be able to seel it for them either... its not like its in bricks and mortar as it were, with it being swappable.
chant
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i'm considering time-sharing my a.rse. can anyone give me some ideas on how i can go about doing this?
Karl Wiggins
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Try Madam Jo-Jo's. Liana, how are your parents going about selling their TimeShare? The best way is through a reputable resale organisation or through a TimeShare auction. However, TimeShare is not an investment. It's a way of taking luxurious holidays at an exceedingly low cost. When they sell, they'll get about £800, so why bother? However, this raises a very interesting point. As I've said many times, part of building an online community (or any community for that matter) is to help each other and offer advice on topics that one member may know more about than others. When considering purchasing a TimeShare apartment/cottage/villa/canal boat, you should never, ever buy from the resort. By all means, go to a few presentations to learn all you can, but always, always buy from a resale office. You'll pick up a £7000 TimeShare for about £800. Just be careful of one thing, that it doesn't carry with it several years of back maintenance to pay as well.
Liana
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theyre selling it through RCI, the people that they bought it off! Theyre supposed to be a reputable outfit? However, they just want rid - the maintenence and other hidden costs each year add up to more than a luxurious holiday for 2 practically anywhere in the world!!!!!!
justyn_thyme
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Karl, this industry has had a terrible name for decades. I can remember timeshare scams from the early 60s and it probably goes back further than that. I think that guy should be stripped of all assets and jailed for life. I guess a timeshare could be OK for some people, but I can't imagine anything I would want to do less than go to the same place every year for the rest of my life. And it sounds very expensive to me. You can buy a reasonable apartment in Cannes or Nice for say 50K Euros, fix it up, and own it outright all year long, even retire there. Maybe I'm missing something.
Karl Wiggins
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You are. The whole concept of TimeShare is that you don't have to go back to the same place year after year. You can exchange to about 3500 resorts (4 and 5 star) in over 80 different countries. The trick is to buy somewhere cheap. As long as it's with a reputable exchange organisation (RCI or II), you can exchange. It costs about £60. And remember this not a direct swap. You deposit your week into the system, take out the week you require, and then your week's floating around for someone else to pick up on. TimeShare is a concept. Not a holiday home. You're buying into the concept. That's all.
justyn_thyme
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Ah....now it makes more sense.
Liana
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my parents bought a timeshare yearrrrrs ago through RCI, reputable they may be, it still costs them a fortune every year, and they rarely use it as they can holiday oodles cheaper through just about anywhere else. theyve had it on RCI's market for about 5 years with no success..... i'd say stay away from timeshare full stop personally.
Hulsey
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I once visited Hawaii many years ago when I was twenty-one. My friend and I, to our surprise were asked if we'd attend a film presentation for Timeshare at a swish hotel in Honolulu, which surprised me as my mate had hair down to his waist and was often mistaken for a rock star. Anyway, we were promised a hire car for three days free of charge if we agreed to attend. I have never been in a hotel as elegant as the one we were ushered to and the guests stared open-mouthed as we passed them beer can in hand. We were asked a lot of questions, mainly about our finances and when my mate John was asked how much money he had in his bank account you could see the dollar signs in the interviewer's greedy eyes. "Eighteen," said John. "Eighteen thousand pounds?" asked greedy. "No eighteen pounds," smiled John. We were quickly ejected from the hotel but not before we sampled their marvellous buffet and free wine. Before we went we insisted on the hire car and I think they agreed in order to get rid of us. Anyway we were directed to the hire car place and ended up with a jeep with several holes in the floor. Nevertheless we enjoyed touring the island and brought much joy to the motorists as we raced down the freeway screaming Gumball! Timeshare, I would not trust them as far as I could throw them.
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