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« on: July 24, 2008, 00:25:03 » |
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Who can do this... i cant! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GwT2Lv4KfNYI would fall off , like like a nice skill for filtering if u wana change direction in slow speed . solo
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 03:00:03 » |
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Is that an X9? I can stop cold on mine for a few seconds with my feet up, but I'll have to work on that move!
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 03:32:35 » |
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In video its a burgman 650 white, the move looks tricky, dont know if any 1 can do it but when i get back on my bike iam gunna try it
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2008, 04:30:07 » |
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Well, watch yourself, you don't want to aggrevate that leg. I don't really see the point of it on a motoscoot if you can just put your feet down for balance anyway. On a mountain bike it makes sense because you don't want to get out of the clips, or you may want to jump or bounce and need your feet on the pedals. I found too that on really tight turns with the X9 the exhaust sticks out enough that you could bump it on things. What I'm really waiting for is a video of someone doing a wheelie on a maxi-scoot! : :
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 04:42:14 » |
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there is a video on youtube of a person doing weelies on a burgmn 650
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 14:31:30 » |
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I attended a training day recently for Unity Support Riders and part of the course was slow riding training.
Although we didn't try anything like that I came away with some good skills for getting my speed right down and remaining stable at the same time.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 15:14:48 » |
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Go on then, JJ....share some of those tips (please)
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 15:24:33 » |
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Now there's no way I'd claim to be able to do what he's doing in the vid, but I'd cautiously suggest that it would "just" take a "few" weeks' practice to get the hang of that.
My theory is that the move he's doing here relies on the bike being almost off-balance (to the inside of the curve) so that he can take the longest time turning the wheel (i.e. he goes from being off-balance towards the inside of the curve, to being off-balance towards the outside of the curve when he's finished turning the wheel).
I've noticed that I seem to get a very short time of feet-up-standing-still-ness at the end of our small road, and that if there's no traffic coming then I can go from that (teeeeeeeny, very short) bit of stillness into a right turn without putting my foot down.
He's getting a much longer delay in the manoeuvre. More hang time. I'm sure plenty of that is down to him having more skill than me, but the other difference is that he deliberately puts his bike in a path that makes him off balance when it gets to the turn.
Just my thoughts....
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 17:08:38 » |
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Hi BB,
as one of only two scooters on the course ( Jim being the other) we discovered that unlike the "proper bikes" we were unable to keep the rear wheel driven at low speeds due to the auto clutch disengaging.
The guys with manual gear boxes were able to select low gear and keep the power applied whereas our ( well ...mine actually) kept cutting in and out which made for a few wobbles as the clutch cut in and out.
What was worked out was to keep a bit of throttle on and balance it against the brakes. This meant that the clutch was always engaged and the "jerkiness" disappeared..... less wobbles.
To prove it outside of a car park with cones, an instructor took me out and found a mini roundabout in a quiet street.
My objective was to ride as slowly as possible around the white dot in the middle on the roundabout whilst keeping within the white lines surrounding it. I got it down to less than walking speed and was more stable than the other guy who was with us on his Fazer.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 18:00:49 » |
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What was worked out was to keep a bit of throttle on and balance it against the brakes. This meant that the clutch was always engaged and the "jerkiness" disappeared..... less wobbles.
That's what I do too, it's the only way to do it on an auto where you have no clutch control. I just use the rear brake though as I find the front upsets the balance a little.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 18:49:13 » |
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That`s easy peesey.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 18:53:31 » |
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I know JP but sometimes it's the basic stuff you have to be told about rather than the difficult bits.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 19:57:08 » |
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Don't know about there but here the practical test involves very tight turns through a series of cones. If you carry too much speed the turns get progressively wider till you hit a cone. I kept the throttle slightly open to keep the clutch engaged and used the linked brake so that there is some "dynamic tension", my phrasing, on the wheels. This permitted slower speeds, tighter turns and reduced wobble.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 21:12:50 » |
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I can get my bike down to almost walking speed but got use throtal and brakes to keep balenced, but i some times still get the wobble left to right...more pratice i still cant do my U-Turns 100% perfect everry time
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 22:54:59 » |
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On the mountain bike the trick is to use the brakes and quickly move the front wheel to the side you seem to be falling towards, while shifting your own weight to compensate. If you let the brakes go slightly whenever you feel that you are falling, you can keep balancing longer. This is done while keeping pressure on the pedals to ensure a forward motion; I assume that on the motorbike keeping a bit of throttle on while braking would also work. I used to be able to do a good track stand and even walk the bike sideways on the front and back wheels, but a 460lb motorbike is a different matter...
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 00:42:12 » |
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Don't use the back brake against the throttle for long folks - as pointed out in another thread it can induce huge wear and even transmission component melt-down.
Fine for a single manouvre, and as long as nothing gets too hot can be repeated at will.
A motorbike's wet clutch can take abuse all day long, this is not true of a Piaggio CVT...
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2008, 09:28:44 » |
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so long use can burn the clutch out ?
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 10:06:53 » |
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Interesting - as the worst days on the A1 sees me filtering at slow speed for around a mile I'm afraid the brake/CVT must get a bit of a hammering. I'm not constantly revving hard against the brake though- I usually release the throttle and use the brake to slow, then if I know i'm going to be moving again soon I use the throttle/back brake to slow right down to near stopped before the gap opens up again and I shoot through. I guess the back brake is used a lot but only actually fighting the revs for a shorter amount of time.
I don't think theres really any other way of doing it on an auto, otherwise I'd be wobbling and paddling with my feet all the time, which is something I really don't want to be doing!
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2008, 15:16:50 » |
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Well, if your starting on a hill you pretty much have to hold the brake while your revving up anyway. Likely not an issue unless you are really torquing it with the brake on.
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2008, 09:48:52 » |
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it is possible to do it this. I do it on the street when i reach to a red traffic signal, but for a few seconds. it is enough time to change direction of movements.
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